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Post by Terra Incognita on Aug 14, 2021 23:53:35 GMT
Just three weeks away from more phrasing jokes. I binge-watched all of Season 11, last month. Who thinks Archer's still in a coma?
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Post by Introvertigroo on Aug 15, 2021 0:15:37 GMT
I'm betting on drunk.
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Post by donavan on Aug 15, 2021 5:20:33 GMT
Just three weeks away from more phrasing jokes. I binge-watched all of Season 11, last month. Who thinks Archer's still in a coma? Dunno but I'm still in a Korma!
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Post by miles on Aug 16, 2021 17:06:41 GMT
Josh Marshall is one our better pundits: Weโve been in Afghanistan for either ten or twenty years because no one in authority was ready to endure this moment and not look back. I donโt know if Biden will pay a domestic political price for this denouement. But watching it all unfold Iโm even more certain he made the right decision than I was a day ago. Does anyone think weโll look back a year from now and think, wow, I wish we were still garrisoning Afghanistan? I doubt it. Someone had to make the decision that Bush, Obama and Trump did not and apparently could not. Biden did. talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/after-sunday-its-even-more-clear-biden-was-right
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Post by donavan on Aug 16, 2021 19:03:58 GMT
It's not the decision to leave we should be questioning. It's the decision to go in that is the real issue.
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Post by miles on Aug 16, 2021 21:39:44 GMT
It's not the decision to leave we should be questioning. It's the decision to go in that is the real issue. Absolutely. I get that we wanted revenge on Bin Ladin, and to break up his group. But Bush bailed on that, and believed all the neo-con trash. That being the fantasy we can invade countries and remake them into little colonies. Biden did the right thing, and he wanted to do this 11 years ago. But he was only vice=president then. Someone commented that 95% of the US people want us to be out. And 95% of the press doesn't. Right and left.
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Post by donavan on Aug 16, 2021 22:10:37 GMT
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Post by bluedemon25 on Aug 16, 2021 22:12:28 GMT
So, asking in a non-facetious manner, to those who remember the fall of Saigon and embassy helicopter evacuations in particular of the threatened former collaborating Vietnamese, how do you feel this situation compares (or doesn't) with the Afghani people who wanted out and helped US and other allies but are stuck now facing potentially grim consequences from the Taliban. I read enough of the WH spokespersons saying absolhnot at all like Saigon. But from what I've read previously in detail out of personal interest in the history of our past involvement in Vietnam compared with what I've read reported about the current situation, it doesn't seem quite so dissimilar. More like a shitty reality (even if possibly inevitable to some extent) that no one in charge wanted to admit.
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Post by donavan on Aug 16, 2021 22:23:08 GMT
We can blame whoever we want to. But this fucking mess is our fault. Our lack of education and inflicted distractions like drugs, TV and Netflix and social media, makes us responsible for this shit storm. When you point a finger there are three pointing back. But who gives a shit. Let's get wasted and tomorrow's another day. What a waste, dear God. Don't get me started on that control mechanism. Time for another drink. If you can't beat 'em..........
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Post by miles on Aug 17, 2021 0:34:52 GMT
So, asking in a non-facetious manner, to those who remember the fall of Saigon and embassy helicopter evacuations in particular of the threatened former collaborating Vietnamese, how do you feel this situation compares (or doesn't) with the Afghani people who wanted out and helped US and other allies but are stuck now facing potentially grim consequences from the Taliban. I read enough of the WH spokespersons saying absolhnot at all like Saigon. But from what I've read previously in detail out of personal interest in the history of our past involvement in Vietnam compared with what I've read reported about the current situation, it doesn't seem quite so dissimilar. More like a shitty reality (even if possibly inevitable to some extent) that no one in charge wanted to admit. It is too close to deny. It has been argued that Gerald Ford did not pay a political price for the fall of Saigon. What defeated him was the pardon of Nixon and economic doldrums. This time it is a tragedy of hubris, a slow motion military folly, and a disconnected populace, as Don pointed out. So more parallels. We can't defeat fundamentalism. We have it here, fanatics trying to take over, and increasing saying they will kill us if they need to.
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Post by bluedemon25 on Aug 17, 2021 0:39:17 GMT
Good point. We do have such fundamentalist craziness in this country if even (at least to me) it feels like a different flavor of insanity.
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Post by Terra Incognita on Aug 17, 2021 2:40:06 GMT
Doesn't really explain the sensory glitches Archer experienced in Antarctica. Have you freeze-framed those? Like subliminal TV channel changes.
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Post by bluedemon25 on Aug 17, 2021 4:52:03 GMT
It would be funny if he was revealed to be Bob from Bob's Burgers
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Post by Mare on Aug 22, 2021 1:09:12 GMT
So, asking in a non-facetious manner, to those who remember the fall of Saigon and embassy helicopter evacuations in particular of the threatened former collaborating Vietnamese, how do you feel this situation compares (or doesn't) with the Afghani people who wanted out and helped US and other allies but are stuck now facing potentially grim consequences from the Taliban. That was the mental picture that popped into my head, Bluey. Especially with people fleeing for their lives and airlifts. It shows me that the history taught in schools isn't enough to keep people from making the same mistakes over and over again. Shoot, I've read Ken Follett books that laid out how impossible it would be to get all rebels out of the mountains of Afghanistan. That guy makes more sense than a lot of what trickles down from the military. Tangent: Have you ever read The Third Twin? One of my favorites by Follett.
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Post by bluedemon25 on Aug 22, 2021 1:57:33 GMT
I have not heard of it. Please tell me, what's it about?
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