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Post by bluedemon25 on Aug 15, 2021 18:43:59 GMT
And sushi and ramen and pho.
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Post by donavan on Aug 15, 2021 18:57:50 GMT
and Tinky Winky. Teletubbies say hello!
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Post by longinglook on Aug 18, 2021 16:12:21 GMT
Does anyone have anybody close to them that refuses to be vaccinated? If so, how are you handling it?
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Post by longinglook on Aug 18, 2021 16:19:37 GMT
Does anyone have anybody close to them that refuses to be vaccinated? If so, how are you handling it?
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Post by donavan on Aug 18, 2021 17:29:19 GMT
I don't know anyone who refuses to get vaccinated without a valid reason. I think it's a very small minority who refuse the vaccine so not worth worrying about.
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Post by longinglook on Aug 18, 2021 17:51:21 GMT
I wish I could not worry about it. It's someone in my immediate family. I cant get through to him. I feel helpless and worried sick.
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Post by miles on Aug 18, 2021 18:51:29 GMT
I wish I could not worry about it. It's someone in my immediate family. I cant get through to him. I feel helpless and worried sick. I doubt I can suggest anything you haven't already said. It may depend on just why he is refusing. If he only trusts false information, I just don't know. If he does trust someone like a family doctor, they might be able to explain he is not just endangering himself, but people close to him as well. I do believe we need mandates, for employment, dining indoors etc. But I know it probably won't happen in LA. Keep yourself safe and mask in his presence, maybe that will get to him.
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Post by donavan on Aug 18, 2021 20:18:35 GMT
I'm not sure he is endangering others. But he is certainly endangering himself. Double vaccinated people can still catch it and pass it on. If you are vaccinated you get less ill. So I'm not sure it is a selfish thing. It's just if you don't go there you are not giving yourself the best chance. But you are not putting others at risk. That's why if you really don't want it that's OK with me. But I wish you would for you.
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Post by miles on Aug 18, 2021 20:24:50 GMT
If someone doesn't believe in it, they won't do the basic things to prevent transmission. I am not arguing that vaccinated people are not spreading it too. Delta is very contagious. The other consideration is new variants. Letting the fire burn just creates a bigger, better fire.
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Post by donavan on Aug 18, 2021 20:36:37 GMT
So we are not really talking vaccinations then as LL said. We are talking more not wearing masks and distancing etc. Not everyone who doesn't want the vaccine are irresponsibe in those ways. We need to be careful not to categorise everyone who refuse the vaccine in the same way. That indeed is happening and it's having a negative affect in encouraging people to get vaccinated. Educate and inform. But don't stigmatize. That never ends well.
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Post by miles on Aug 19, 2021 17:57:44 GMT
An opinion from the front lines:
"My son shared a post by a fellow ICU health care worker this morning about how exhausted they are by this preventable surge, the arrogant ignorance that is driving it and said - "This hits home." He never complains. It takes a great deal for my ICU RN son to mention discomfort of any kind. This is the first time he has referred to how the pandemic, this preventable surge, is getting to him. To all of them. I was sitting in the car watching dawn slowly lighten a sliver of sky this morning and realized I just can't do this anymore. I can't keep caring about people who are so selfish, so willfully ignorant that they put everything and everyone at risk. I don't care about those who can get vaccinated choosing not to and then getting sick. They have put all the rest of us at risk. They have put our health care system and those we love at risk."
It's not just themselves that pay the price of ignoring precautions and staying willfully ignorant. No man is an island.
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Post by donavan on Aug 19, 2021 20:54:29 GMT
Again, vaccinated and unvaccinated people can spread it. I agree it's selfish to not have it, get really ill and put the hospitals under pressure. Hence put all hospital services under pressure. But health care is for everyone or at least it should be. What next turning away smokers with lung cancer because it's their fault? We live in a fucked up world of self interest and misinformation. So if someone can't compute the info and makes bad choices, do we really say fuck 'em? That's not my kind of socialism. We created this messed up society so don't be surprised if people are messed up. It's a slippery slope. And if no man is an island and we all rely on the love and care of others why are we excluding elements of society because they don't conform to our way of thinking?
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Post by Mare on Aug 20, 2021 1:52:26 GMT
Does anyone have anybody close to them that refuses to be vaccinated? If so, how are you handling it? Yes, longinglook, I do. She is a very strong person, what I consider a leader. Closer than some family members. She is refusing to get vaccinated until the FDA withdraws the Emergency Usage status of the vaccines and gives the normal stamp of approval. I am hoping that this happens soon. I think she and I both had CoVID-19 in early 2020. I may even have coughed around her (and a bunch of other people) gave it to her, myself. In light of that, I tried to talk myself out of going on a weekend family trip to the beach at a camping area. (Her family, who I love very much.) I told her I didn't want to kill her or her grandkids. ( I don't want to kill my graindkids, either-they are all too young for vaccines.) She said she wasn't going to die. I know she is really strong and takes good care of herself, but that was a really difficult decision for me to make. In the end, I did go. My logic was that we both probably had it over a year ago and survived. As much as I seemed determined to worry myself to death, I had to allow myself to remember she is taking the risk of going herself in the first place. You can't force anyone to worry about the things that seem obvious and rational to you if they are basing their decisions on a completely different set of data than you are. Some friendships are worth too much to destroy based on political and emotional beliefs and since we are all adults, we just have to take a step back and know nothing we say or do will change their minds. This morning, I texted my son...I wanted to take him and his family some baked goods from the bakery that is changing hands. He replied that he'd been hanging out with someone who has tested positive for CoVID-19. He was tested yesterday afternoon and has to wait 48 hours for the results. After that camping trip, with the crowd of people who weren't wearing masks and were cruising the lanes at the site like it was Whittier Blvd on a Saturday night, I was planning to wear a mask myself. I dropped off the baked goods and am keeping my fingers crossed, asking my Higher Power to keep an eye on his wife, babies and him and taking a deep breath, every now and then. Yeah, most uncomfortable to be in this position, longinglook!
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Post by Mare on Aug 21, 2021 18:45:49 GMT
My son's CoVID-19 test came back negative "for what its worth" as he said. I agree, incubation periods vary, beats me what the detection rate is. Another hurdle in the steeplechase of life passed. Wonder when and where the next hurdle will be.
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Post by Nonsuch Ned on Aug 30, 2021 14:32:27 GMT
Two in Florida, imagine that.
It's amazing how that nastiest deniers I've seen in Florida are seniors. Just yesterday I was going into a Sam's Club and, as I was entering, this old guy shoves his cart as hard as he can at the welcomers when they asked him if he could please wear a mask.
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