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Post by miles on Nov 25, 2016 19:13:31 GMT
So much of the campaign was about "bring back good jobs." People blamed the demise of unions, globalization, bad trade agreements and austerity. But what is not mentioned as much, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SOLUTION, is the end of work, caused by the increasingly efficient technology of robots and automation. This is a pretty Swiftian take on this reality. www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/25/1603924/-We-are-going-to-outsource-your-job
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Post by miles on Nov 26, 2016 18:56:20 GMT
The author of this piece is kind of like Kos's Youie. He always pisses people off.
The premise is correct and the question remains, how will society deal with the people whose jobs go away? Retrain for another job that will be gone in a year or two? Technology and money are our masters and they never took an ethics course.
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Post by donavan on Nov 26, 2016 19:47:32 GMT
I share your frustrations. But creating jobs for the sake of it is wrong. How many cheap plastic ducks do we need? And the consequences of a consumer society are endless. We've lost the plot. We should be celebrating less work and more leisure. But we've built a system on money that doesn't really exist. People die because we have food and they don't have paper and iron to pay for it. Madness. I'm far removed from the world we live in and I think none of this actually exists which keeps me sane. Even if you think I'm insane
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Post by miles on Nov 27, 2016 17:59:47 GMT
I share your frustrations. But creating jobs for the sake of it is wrong. How many cheap plastic ducks do we need? And the consequences of a consumer society are endless. We've lost the plot. We should be celebrating less work and more leisure. But we've built a system on money that doesn't really exist. People die because we have food and they don't have paper and iron to pay for it. Madness. I'm far removed from the world we live in and I think none of this actually exists which keeps me sane. Even if you think I'm insane You sound sane to me. I think this is the problem for societies that believe in the moral importance of work, even pointless repetitious work. We have called people lazy when they can't find a job, and tell them to try harder. A few years ago we had this simplified notion that everyone would become entrepreneurs, since all the jobs were going away. We would all be our own boss. The reality is that few of us are suited to do this, especially those without resources. There still is this desire in the US (and I think the UK) to punish those in poverty or left behind by technological displacement and not acknowledge the reality that there will not be jobs for everyone. So at the very time we need more social support, the austerians say time to slash your food, housing and medical care. It is not difficult to see this as class warfare, eliminate someones livelihood and then tell them there are no resources for them because all the money has gone for tax cuts and corporate welfare. But I think you are right that the biggest hurdle is getting past using consumerism to drive the economy and past the concept that all value is defined exclusively by money.
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Post by sticksman1 on Nov 28, 2016 14:33:15 GMT
I share your frustrations. But creating jobs for the sake of it is wrong. How many cheap plastic ducks do we need? And the consequences of a consumer society are endless. We've lost the plot. We should be celebrating less work and more leisure. But we've built a system on money that doesn't really exist. People die because we have food and they don't have paper and iron to pay for it. Madness. I'm far removed from the world we live in and I think none of this actually exists which keeps me sane. Even if you think I'm insane Madness didn't see it, but XTC did in Black Sea & English Settlement -
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Post by donavan on Nov 28, 2016 17:27:26 GMT
Working for the Yankee Dollar.
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