people underestimate the impact social media, like this forum, can have on people. if you are thickskinned its fine, but trolling is a big problem.
Whatever your view Don, thee is no doubt that this forum would have grown organically if the Honeycomb stuff didnt take place.
lets be frank if everytime you went in the pub a bunch of guys int he corner took the piss out of you, abused you, tried to wind you up, then there would either be a fight ( which kept happenning on line verbally), the landlord would ban somebody ( No admin ) or you move to another pub.
The only time I talk to per now is on the odd visit to swindon...
But hell, the days of the forum were 10/12 years ago. We've all moved on since then and the subsequant destruction of the functionality of the idea forum was really never recoverbale from.
Still - Joe Jacksons releasing a new album
Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey deserve a retrial.
If there are more people, there are usually more rabble rousers. I've been a member of numerous sizable communities, they have stringent rules for a reason. The trolls at Anime News Network are really horrible, but quickly banned. If they're someone who really values the forum but just has a problem playing by the rules, the administrators usually ban them temporarily so they know the attitude isn't tolerated, or are moderated in different ways. There's one unique guy there who has been a member for over 15 years, for the most part he's a useful contributor but also has a tremendous attitude problem and will fight at the drop of a hat. So, EVERY post he makes has to be okayed by a mod before it is posted publicly.
group size is neither a cause or deterrent, its just different.
Still don't understand why most people gave up on a forum set up by Andy Partridge. And considering there was little moderation I think we did OK. It's just not enough people joined so the bit of trouble on there stood out a bit more. People just seemed to prefer Twitter for XTc related things and Facebook for all other things. Which is OK but both platforms are unsuitable for a forum. The truth is there is no appetite for an XTc related forum, even if it's just to chat about other things. There was never a bunch of guys in the corner taking the piss, it just felt like that sometimes because of the lack of numbers. Use it or lose it, and not enough people used it. That's why it failed and not because of any individual and their behaviour.
Post by anothersatellite on Sept 10, 2015 14:45:02 GMT
Yup. Andy was clearly bored by the APE forum, calling it "dismal" at one point, and he started using Twitter because...well, you'd have to ask him, but I would guess it's the access to lots more people, access to folks other than the die-hard, inbred clan of fans. The argument could go that if he were more active on the forum, the forum would have been more popular, but that still wouldn't have made it worth keeping, I think. the arc of history vis-à-vis social media leans toward open access and cross-connectivity, and that's not the fan forum. My two cents: Sometimes Jack being an arsehole was the only interesting thing going on there. I'm sometimes unsure why I keep coming back here. Nostalgia and a liking for the ones who keep coming back, I suppose. Once don and Bimble and Peggs and Intro and others I'm not naming because I'm lazy are known to me on Facebook and/or Twitter, I'm probably out.
I still hold that a big problem was that the Ape Forum was one of the worst designed forum's I've ever used. Not even busy forums have that many sections, at least none that were that hopelessly unorganized. The XTC section stuffed in the middle (Once it was added- remember that Andy basically refused to add any XTC sections until they started putting out XTC re-releases?) , fringe artists at the top, current projects lost in the shuffle somewhere with multiple topics on the same subject in multiple locations. And of course "Love and Hate" and "talk amongst yourselves."
People complain it wasn't busy but that was partially perception. People posted in active topics but because the place was stuffed with dead sections (especially at the top) it always looked deserted.
Am I right in saying the number of members peaked at about 330? And AP was offered advice about how to make things more secure but as far as I know never responded or acknowledged these suggestions. Your point about potential new members not being able to join is a good one. I didn't find the layout of APE a problem but I see how someone with more design knowledge than me might think this. I think AP needed help in the IT department and for whatever reason, although I have my suspicions, the help on hand went away. On Twitter the maintenance is done by the site, you just tweet. And although I'm not a regular reader of his page he still seems to have trouble working his way around Twitter.
Good thread name change Ned. Although it now sounds like it's all Pellepennan's fault.