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Sept 24, 2019 18:00:07 GMT
Post by miles on Sept 24, 2019 18:00:07 GMT
Did you see the spider broach on the justice that told Boris to stuff it (And open the Parliament again?) Is she a Who fan? Corbyn is a disaster as an opposition leader, unfortunately.
"In the meantime, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn continued to keep his party on the fence, refusing to take a position either for or against Brexit in any shape or form. And Corbyn went beyond refusing to step down in favor of another leader for his party, instead spending a lengthy part of his morning address describing the kind of prime minister he will be. “Different” was the term that Corbyn used to describe his term at Downing Street. Different in this case might also be a good term for “nonexistant.”
Corbyn declared that Boris Johnson is “not fit to be prime minister,” which is undoubtedly true. The problem is that far too many people feel that Corbyn would be a very poor fit for the role."
-Mark Sumner
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Brexit
Sept 24, 2019 18:11:24 GMT
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Post by donavan on Sept 24, 2019 18:11:24 GMT
But Corbyn is the leader. We need to get behind him. This chance can't be missed. Yes it's a bit of a shambles but the Tories are a complete shambles. It's time for unity and determination. Yes discussion and disagreement but not destroying a chance to get rid of Boris and the Tories. That would be the biggest crime of all.
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Sept 24, 2019 21:54:19 GMT
Post by Terra Incognita on Sept 24, 2019 21:54:19 GMT
Interesting day today in the Anglo-Saxon world
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Post by miles on Sept 24, 2019 22:04:42 GMT
But Corbyn is the leader. We need to get behind him. This chance can't be missed. Yes it's a bit of a shambles but the Tories are a complete shambles. It's time for unity and determination. Yes discussion and disagreement but not destroying a chance to get rid of Boris and the Tories. That would be the biggest crime of all. If your leader doesn't know if he's for brexit or against it, it makes it hard to unify. He won't be offered a better deal by the EU, unless I'm reading this wrong. If they can defeat the torries more power to them.
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Sept 24, 2019 22:15:41 GMT
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Post by donavan on Sept 24, 2019 22:15:41 GMT
But there are Labour heartlands in the North and Midlands that voted to leave. Coming out on the side of remain loses these votes overnight and probably the election. Much better to leave options open. Then give a vote back to the people between the best deal available and remain.
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Brexit
Sept 25, 2019 17:38:25 GMT
Post by miles on Sept 25, 2019 17:38:25 GMT
But there are Labour heartlands in the North and Midlands that voted to leave. Coming out on the side of remain loses these votes overnight and probably the election. Much better to leave options open. Then give a vote back to the people between the best deal available and remain. Boris and the hard brexit boys are playing run out the clock, just over a month till the crash out. I think your proposal is good, but can it take place soon enough?
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Sept 25, 2019 18:04:29 GMT
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Post by donavan on Sept 25, 2019 18:04:29 GMT
Boris can't leave without a deal. And I doubt he'll get one. He'll need to extend by law. Then we have the election.
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Sept 25, 2019 18:20:54 GMT
Post by miles on Sept 25, 2019 18:20:54 GMT
Boris can't leave without a deal. And I doubt he'll get one. He'll need to extend by law. Then we have the election. Is that a ray of hope I detect?
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Sept 25, 2019 22:39:30 GMT
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Post by donavan on Sept 25, 2019 22:39:30 GMT
Boris can't leave without a deal. And I doubt he'll get one. He'll need to extend by law. Then we have the election. Is that a ray of hope I detect? No fact. Prime Minister Boris Johnson's top legal adviser, Attorney General Geoffrey Cox, said on Wednesday (today) the government would comply with a law passed by parliament (Benn bill) to force the British leader to request a delay to Brexit if no agreement with the EU is in place by Oct. 19.
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Sept 26, 2019 5:59:58 GMT
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Post by donavan on Sept 26, 2019 5:59:58 GMT
Of course an election puts us back to where we are now whatever the outcome (unless the Lib Dems win outright) and it all starts again. And if a deal is reached and we leave by public vote or not that's when the real chaos starts. Oh such fun to look forward to.
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Sept 26, 2019 7:23:18 GMT
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Post by donavan on Sept 26, 2019 7:23:18 GMT
Boris can't leave without a deal. And I doubt he'll get one. He'll need to extend by law. Then we have the election. Is that a ray of hope I detect? Abandon hope all ye who enter here
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Oct 17, 2019 17:34:32 GMT
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Post by donavan on Oct 17, 2019 17:34:32 GMT
So we have a deal which on the face of it is worse than May's deal and sells workers rights down the river and upsets NI. So I'm guessing this one will get through the House such is the madness of Brexit. That's if all of the EU members sanction it first of course.
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Oct 19, 2019 21:06:28 GMT
Post by miles on Oct 19, 2019 21:06:28 GMT
Prime Minister seeks ditch suitable for lying within, required immediately.
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Oct 19, 2019 21:56:29 GMT
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Post by donavan on Oct 19, 2019 21:56:29 GMT
It's a bit like they don't even try to hide their hypocrisy, self interest and thirst for social injustice any more. Maybe they don't have to. Brazen doesn't cut it.
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Dec 9, 2019 17:18:59 GMT
Post by miles on Dec 9, 2019 17:18:59 GMT
An excerpt from The Politics of Pain: Postwar England and the Rise of Nationalism. I suspect Don may disagree.
If you are English and in your fifties or early sixties, two things are likely to be true of you. One is that in 2016 you voted to leave the European Union: 60 percent of both men and women in the UK aged between 50 and 64 did so. The other is that you were, in the immediate period after the UK joined the Common Market, a punk. Or if not an actual punk, then a vicarious one, living off the thrills of the most powerful and original English cultural movement of modern times.
These two truths are closely related. At the level of high politics, Brexit may be defined by upper-class twittery. It seems more P.G. Wodehouse than Johnny Rotten. But at the level of popular culture, it is pure punk. John Lydon (formerly Rotten), having initially opposed Brexit, later identified himself with it: “Well, here it goes, the working class have spoke and I’m one of them and I’m with them.”
In a sense, this is the wrong way round—they are with him, or at least with the Johnny Rotten of the mid-1970s. Had it not had the genius of Take Back Control, a perfect slogan for the Leave campaign would have been Never Mind the Bollocks, Here’s Brexit! For it is in punk that we find, not just the nihilistic energy that helped to drive the Brexit impulse but, more to the point, the popularization of masochism. . . .
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